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I Think I Have Just Now Heard It All!

EcoBroker LogoThose of you that know me and have read my posts know that I have recently received my EcoBroker Designation and am a frequent visitor of the ECO All-Star Group-Because they write good stuff of course!

While doing my courses I decided to do some maintenance on my own personal home to make it more Energy-Efficient.  As of right now the only thing GREEN about my home is the mildew on the Hardi-Plank because it needs pressure washed.

The first thing on my list to do was insulation.  The insulation in my attic has settled to the point that it may as well be non-existent.  I decided to start there.

I hit the internet to find a good company to do insulation; one who knows what they are doing and can see if the ventilation is up to par as well.  I found a Gentleman that has been in the business for years-his bid was a little higher than other companies but his knowledge was amazing.  That was a few weeks ago.  Today I was on the net trying to find him again. (I can't find his phone number) and ran across a website that was interesting so I called them for a bid. Well, he just called back and I am flat out SHOCKED!

He does not use Fiberglass!  He uses a product called Celbar.  This product is made of cellulose, is fire resistant and would give you an HOUR to get out of your house if it caught fire, and the kicker: IT IS MADE OF RECYCLED NEWSPAPER!  He said that this product is denser than fiberglass so it use 1/2 the amount to get up to an R-30, will NEVER settle or lose air or R value, and is better for noise reduction.  Celbar has a coating of Boric Acid to repel rodents, insects, and so many other things.

WOW! He really had my attention.  The cost of this product is approximately .08 more per square foot.  Not bad.  My next question was that since my home was built in 1982 there are vaulted ceilings that go up to the roof line. How will you insulate that area?

Oh, they have a product for that too.  It is made by Bonded Logic in Arizona called Ultra Touch.  It is a Batted Insulation and...the kicker:  IT IS RECYCLED BLUE JEANS!  Cotton Insulation.  You have to check out their website to see how they make it. Very Inspiring.

Between the two of these, I think I've heard everything. Guess who I chose to do the job?  Green insulation products that I have never heard of at a cost that is not enough more to bat an eye at with a company that is dedicated to GREEN efforts in building and remodeling.  I just wanted to write about this so you could all see these websites.  Phenomenal! 

I will take some photos for you and let you know what else I find out. I am going to try and meet with the lady that owns the company just to visit about their product.  I will also try to post about these separately with more information.  Hope you all thought this was as fascinating as me!

Next time you wonder where your newspapers and blue jeans go to get recycled...it might be for a LEED home somewhere!

Comments

That was really interesting. I have no clue about insulation. Do we have stuff like that here? haha!  Great info Steph!
Posted by Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman, RA, CRS, HAWAII Real Estate & Relocations (Century 21 Liberty Homes) almost 5 years ago
Thanks Sally, I'm sure you have it too.
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago

Excellent post, Stephanie!  I love to see alternative information being distributed to the consumer.  Who knew newspapers would have some redeeming value?

Did the contractor offer and info about whether he would remove your fiberglass existing or just encapsulate it?

Don't forget to write a photographic essay if you get this process done! 

Posted by Jeff R. Geoghan - Marketing Evangelist and VP (Coldwell Banker Select Professionals) almost 5 years ago

Hi Jeff, He said that they could compact it first to use it which would in turn give me a total of R-38.  I am pretty sure I will use this guy unless his bid is way more when he gets here.  For $150 more I would rather have GREEN products.  If it were $1000 more, I might change my mind.  I will be selling this house within the year. 

I was more shocked that JEANS had a redeeming value!  :)

Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
I actually have this stuff in my house and I love what a difference it has made. My home builder offered it as an option when I went to the design center, I am glad I went for it. Thanks for the good post as always Stephanie. 
Posted by Jacob Morales - Arizona Mortgage Planner (US Bank) almost 5 years ago
Jacob, can you tell a difference between this and fiberglass?  I would love to hear about your experience with it.
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago

This sounds very interested and would love to read more about it.  Can you give me some websites and places to do more reading?

Thanks.

Posted by June Piper-Brandon CDPE, CIAS, ePro, Assoc. Broker (Century 21 New Millenium) almost 5 years ago
Hi June, the links are in the posts. The company names.  It is quite fascinating and I will post about them separately.
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago

It looks great and I'm sure it IS great... If only we had used it in the recent remodeling of our house... If only you were a month earlier. Oh well, no sweat, I'm glad I learned about it for the future, and of course for random facts to blurt out in an awkward conversation.

Thanks and good post!

www.sugarlandrelocation.com

Posted by Christopher and Bernadette Hurley (Go Hurley Group) almost 5 years ago
Hi Christopher and Bernadette, I know of some GREEN remodel companies if you want to contact some in the future. I guess Sugarland Relo would be the one close to me.  :)  You are welcome for the info and sorry it wasn't sooner.
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
The recycled newspaper has me a little bit concerned. Wouldn't that absorb moisture and attract bugs and other critters? (Remember, I'm in Florida! These are serious concerns)
Posted by Lisa Hill (Daytona Beach Real Estate) (Florida Property Experts) almost 5 years ago

Hey, I think I have some old 29" waist blue jeans from college up in the attic. DOes that count?

j/k

Posted by Tom Burris | Texas Mortgage Dallas Mortgage FHA (DallasLoanGuy.com (214) 763-4629 cell/text/nights/weekends) almost 5 years ago

Hi Lisa, It doesn't.  It is mixed somehow with cellulose and boric acid to deter critters.  It is a huse problem here too.  I am going to talk to the guy some more about it Wednesday and I will let you know what he says. 

Hi Tom,  Maybe that will give you an R-1 factor.  :)

Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
Stephanie - so glad you gave us resources! They talked about the blue jean thing at the seminar I attending a couple of weeks ago. It sounds like you are on your way! Keep us up to date on your projects!
Posted by Mary Bigelow, 2010 Let's Do It AGAIN!!!! (Contractors Building Supply) almost 5 years ago
This is wild!  Thank you for sharing......I'm going to check this out as I know I should have our insulation checked!
Posted by Burbank Real Estate Agent Ana Connell (G & C Properties/John Aaroe Group) almost 5 years ago
Stephanie wow... awesome post.  We all should be doing are part
Posted by Matthew J Blum - (retired from the business) almost 5 years ago

Hi Mary, I will keep you posted and give you any imformation I find.

Hi Ana-  Thanks for stopping by!  I thought this was crazy!  Over the years Fiberglass will lose air and settle-that is what I thought was neat about this...it won't settle.  Good Luck!

Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
Thanks Matt!  Hope you have a good week!
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
something else you can doafter you insulate is to find someone that does the aluminum foil type insulation. You put it our your rafters in sheeta and it reflects the heat back out. It is used on the space shuttle as a heat sheild.
Posted by T.U.P. Realty almost 5 years ago
Wow, I had no idea that stuff was available!  Keep us posted on any other planet friendly products that you stumble across.  I am going to start looking at those products.
Posted by Jon Mitchell (Classic Property Management) almost 5 years ago

Hi Jeff, I heard the paint is better than the foil. I will have to find a link for that one.  You can buy it at Home Depot and DYI.

Hi Jonathan, Amazing huh?  I will let everyone know when I hear about something else. Thanks for stopping by!

Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
Stephanie - This is super cool!  I had no idea that such things happened!  I wonder if they use these on our Energy Star Homes in Kanabec County!  Thanks for the info!
Posted by Joslyn Panka Solomon - Mora Minnesota - Minnesota's One Way Ticket to SOLD! (Century 21 Moline Realty) almost 5 years ago
Thanks Joslyn- I don't know where all they use these products but I was pumped to hear about it.  I can't wait to meet with this guy tomorrow!
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
I didn't know they recycled blue jeans.  Very interesting.  I was in a green home over the weekend.  Very evergy efficient.
Posted by Kay Van Kampen–Springfield, Ozark, Nixa Greene County Missouri Real Estate Agent (RE/MAX Broker, RE/MAX Solutions) almost 5 years ago
Very Interesting!! I do learn something new everyday. Glad you posted this. Also Congrats on your EcoBroker Designation!
Posted by Valerie Betz (First Choice Equity Group) almost 5 years ago

Wow!  I just love stuff like this- it is so cool to think of all the ways we are finding to be more responsible.  And go you... you are getting more energy efficient at the same time you are recycling.  Does it get any greener than that?!?

Posted by Syracuse/ Central New York Real Estate| Christina Lackey (Coldwell Banker Prime Properties) almost 5 years ago
Wow, Stephanie!  We could probably send you all our old pairs of Blue Jeans and you would have enough to insulate your whole neighborhood!  :-)
Posted by Buyer's Broker of Northern Michigan, LLC almost 5 years ago
This was so interesting!  Thanks for sharing this post.  I would never have imagined that jeans & newspaper could be recycled to provide insulation!
Posted by Lola Audu~Audu Real Estate~Grand Rapids, MI Real Estate almost 5 years ago

Well that was an interesting and informative post, Stephanie. Who would have thought? I look forward to hearing more. I just keep my old jeans in my closet!

Jeff

Posted by Jeff Dowler ~ Carlsbad Homes for Sale ~ 760-840-1360 (Solutions Real Estate (CA DRE Lic. # 01490977)) almost 5 years ago
Ironic and neat...very interesting
Posted by Christina Yoon (Anne Arundel Properties) almost 5 years ago

Hi Kay, so don't throw away those old blue jeans!  :)  The green homes are extremely efficient, I agree.

Valerie, Thanks!  I was beside myself when I heard about this product.  Amazing what there is out there.

Hey Christina,  I don't know.  I think the only thing neater than this is what I wrote about in my pond scum post.  That was pretty cool!

Stefan, That would be hilarious!  Just throw all of them in the attic and reduce the bills.  :)  Just Kidding.  I wonder what else they put in there when they are recycled?  Hmm.

Lola,  Me too. 

Jeff, put them in the attic.  :)  Just kidding.

Hi Christina,  Glad you enjoyed it.

Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
Stephanie- Thank you for sharing. I am going to be doing some home improvements/remodeling in the near future and I will have to print this out and put it in my file. Looking forward to a followup post after your meeting with him.
Posted by Debi Braulik Federal Way Homes For Sale Federal Way WA Search Federal Way Homes (www.kingpiercehomes.com Keller Williams Realty ) almost 5 years ago
Hi Debi, He is supposed to be over later today. I will keep you all posted. I spoke with a builder for LEED homes and he LOVES this product.  He says it ROCKS!
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
Neat stuff.  I had never heard of such stuff.  Just when I thought insulation couldn't get any better.
Posted by Tim Maitski (Atlanta Communities Real Estate Brokerage) almost 5 years ago
Hey Tim,  I agree.  The guy should be here in 2 hours.  Can't wait!
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago

This stuff does work great, but one word of warning from a water restoration company: if you have a roof leak the insulation that becomes wet will lose its R value.

That will probably never happen though.

Posted by Daniel Gates (Insure Consulting) almost 5 years ago

Hi Stephanie, we have had newpaper for quite some time.  The methods they employ are a bit different and futuristic.  The blue jeans recycled is very sophisticated application.  Great post.

Posted by Gary White~Grand Rapids Real Estate Market Home Selling Pro! 616-784-2360 (Flexit Realty "Flexible Real Estate Home Selling Solutions") almost 5 years ago

Hi Daniel, I have a new roof-just 3 years old.  But for other people that is really good to know. Thanks for sharing that with us!

Thanks Gary, The guy is here bidding it out right now.

Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
Thanks for the info. I bookmarked it so I can reference in the future. What does it take to get your Green Broker certification.?I saw it the other day but didn't look into it.
Posted by Jennifer Kirby, the Luxury Agent (Kirby Fine Homes) almost 5 years ago
Hi Jennifer, EcoBroker requires 3 courses.  I have to say that I learned more in those 3 courses that I have learned in many years. It is a phenomenal workload.
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago

Stephanie...

I found this fascinating. As I am getting ready to insulate a rental house that we own this has given me food for thought.

P.S. Let's just hope the renters decide not to sew the jeans together and wear them :)

TLW...ROAR!

Posted by "The Lovely Wife" (Broker Bryant's Wife) The One And Only TLW. (President-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc.) almost 5 years ago

Hey TLW, The cost was not much more than fiberglass. I am going to get one more bid for grins but it was about $150 difference. 

I guess you could charge them $1 per sq ft and make some money if they decide to wear it.  :)

Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago

Stephanie,

Great green news. I've heard of newspaper being used in these things, but jeans. Some of these scientists are ingenious. There are plenty of green products on the market for houses, but they're sometimes hard to find. As the public becomes more aware of them, they'll be more widely available. And get cheaper, too.

 

Posted by Esko Kiuru almost 5 years ago
Hi Esko, the product is only .08 more per square foot.  I thought that was minimal.  I have some more information now so I will do a post on the products separately now. Thanks for stopping by!
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago

Congrats on your Ecobroker

You'd be amazed at the many creative products out there:

http://www.treehugger.com/gogreen.php

http://www.toolbase.org/

http://www.buildinggreen.com/menus/ 

These are just a few of the many sites out there!

 

Posted by Robert Rees - Austin Real Estate (Robert Rees Realty, Inc) almost 5 years ago

Hi Robert, thanks for these links!  I will check them out.  I also heard about a site www.greenbuildingblocks.com

 

Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
I guess people want to conserve as much as they can by recycling even if it makes terrible products that don't work and have tons of other problems but hey at least they are saving energy.
Posted by Abraham Chaffin - Cambria Real Estate (Sand Shell Realty) almost 5 years ago
Abraham, Thanks-I think. 
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
I knew about the newspaper insulation but I didn't know about the blue jeans. That is so cool. We have the newspaper stuff.
Posted by Christy Powers - Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent (Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners) almost 5 years ago
Christy, how do you like the newspaper stuff?
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago

Great post steph-

Some really good use for newspaper after using it...Good stuff

Posted by Nattalie Cornwall (Metrobrokers/GMAC Real Estate) almost 5 years ago

Hi Stephanie,

Congratulations on the EcoBroker Certification, I am the first in New Jersey and I try to explain what exactly that means to alot of people in the course of a day.  I will offer this link for Icynene insulation which is probably far more superior in many aspects to celulose.   http://www.icynene.com/  You will find there are certain issues with both the cellulose ( moisture ) and old jeans or cotton (moisture again) .

 

Icynene is affiliated with the Green Building Council, Energy Star, and Green Spec. it is also applied using water and there is no gas out or any harmful gases from the product. There are also tax credits available for the use of the product

The contractor is right about the pest free part , boric acid is a product used for powder post beetles, roaches, ants and also to kill many other crawling critters.

Good luck with your home, you are going to start finding many other things that need to be changed now that you have made the EcoBroker commitment. You are now forced to walk your talk.

Way to go .

 Dave Green

Posted by David Green (RE/MAX at The Shore) almost 5 years ago

Hi Natalie, Thanks for stopping by.

Hi David, I have someone coming out to bid on the icynene this week too.  It is a 10% tax credit..found that out today.  I decided to get 2 bids just to be safe.  One on celbar and one on icynene.  I'll keep you posted.

Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago

Have heard about the newspapers and blue jeans and hear that they work very well. Who knew that old newspapers and blue jeans would have a great purpose?

Posted by Benjamin Realty LLC almost 5 years ago
Steph~  Thank you so much for the energy you put into your posts...for the lessons on sustainability and healthy living spaces and for saying the ECO-All-Stars write good stuff!..If this post is any indication, you are totally and completely RIGHT =)
Posted by Asheville NC Properties of Enduring Excellence almost 5 years ago
My Construction Company is building an addition on a house in downtown Austin and we are using the Icynene for the exterior walls.
Posted by Robert Rees - Austin Real Estate (Robert Rees Realty, Inc) almost 5 years ago

Hi Bob and Carolin, I agree.  I would not have known.

Hi JaneAnne-  So happy to see you drop by.  :)  I think more people are interested in GREEN topics than even they realize.  It affects our lives more than we know.  So many people think it is just about Saving the Earth or "treehuggers" but that is not the entire story.  It affects us. Human lives, our friends and loved ones.    I think more people might be stopping by the group.  :)

Hi Robert,  That sounds great!  It is fantastic stuff.  I have seen it first hand and it is amazing the difference it makes in a home.  Thanks for stopping by!

Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
I have never heard of these types of materials -  It is really interesting to learn about them.  I have a home built in the mid 80-s and I may take a look at my insulation and see if it needs any updating.  Let us know how things turn out.
Posted by Joan Whitebook Southern New Hampshire (BHG The Masiello Group) almost 5 years ago
Hi Joan, Mine was built in '82 and it is in bad, bad shape.  I hope yours is better than mine. :)  Thanks for stopping by.
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
The moral of the story is to search green whenever going remodeling projects to see what you come up with, no matter what the project!
Posted by Jessica Hughes (Ambiance Staging) almost 5 years ago
Hi Jessica, Very true!  Thanks for stopping by!
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
Stephanie, I'd be curious to hear what kind of feedback if any you are getting about your new designation?
Posted by Jeff R. Geoghan - Marketing Evangelist and VP (Coldwell Banker Select Professionals) almost 5 years ago

Jeff, the average consumer in Houston has no idea what this is.  Actually, I am the only agent within atleast 80 miles with this designation.

Everyone I have encountered in the industry (Leed builders, architects) think it's great.  I am going to have to come up with an amazing marketing plan for this one.  :)  Actually, I am still trying to convince my broker that it is press release worthy.

I am convinced that it was a good move.  The people interested in the product will know that I have added value to them.  That is what matters.  There is only 1 LEED home in Houston right now and I am getting a good relationship with that builder.  Actually, I am going to do a stage by stage Blog on his next home that he will start in the next couple of months.

Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago

Stephanie - You are brave for pursuing this path - it will work out for you. LEED for Homes is just starting to take off and you will find yourself on the forefront because you are so active in your pursuit. Give me a call or email - after the Energy Fair this weekend I will get Adam to share marketing. It really does work and is not all that exhaustive. It is sharing your passion with others -- and it is evident you have the passion. Kudos!

I must throw a "thanks" in to JaneAnne here -- for making this whole Eco thing happen--  

Posted by Mary Bigelow, 2010 Let's Do It AGAIN!!!! (Contractors Building Supply) almost 5 years ago
I'd be interested in talking with you about brainstorming to expand our marketing footprint to get the word out.  Maybe a dedicated post?
Posted by Jeff R. Geoghan - Marketing Evangelist and VP (Coldwell Banker Select Professionals) almost 5 years ago

Hi Mary, Please do let me know! I have my marketing people working on a proposal right now.  They are in the green scene so that helps a bunch!  I would love to know what you all do.

Jeff, I can post something to the group to brainstorm. I think that is a great idea.  I also think joining the local GBC chapter will be good for me, and you.

Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago

Hi Stephanie:

Any idea what the adhesives in celbar are made of? Thanks fro the post, will look into this product when I start the greening of our existing home.

Posted by Bill Westel, ECO (Eco-Steward Realty) almost 5 years ago
Hi Bill, my understanding is that it is Boric Acid.  It is hammermilled and then saturated to prevent moisture gain, R value loss, a dusty attic. 
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
Thanks for the quick reply. I could not find the info quickly on the net.
Posted by Bill Westel, ECO (Eco-Steward Realty) almost 5 years ago
Hi Bill, you are welcome. On my second bid, the company recommended a product by Applegate which is supposed to be better and not as dusty.  They said that there had been "problems" with Celbar.  I got the impression that is was moisture related.  The Icynene that was mentioned in the comments is a little more expensive, but way better.  I would be doing that instead but I won't even be in this house another year.  Good Luck with your greening.  :)
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago

Does anyone know off hand the rate of return on insulation? 
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
I joined the GBACPA - in my second year of membership.  They don't do much in Lancaster - it's all Harrisburg based activities. 
Posted by Jeff R. Geoghan - Marketing Evangelist and VP (Coldwell Banker Select Professionals) almost 5 years ago
Way to make an impression! Now I feel you are obligated to come to Colorado for the Ecobroker conference.
Posted by Dena Stevens ~ Putting the 'real' into REALTOR (Century 21 Canon Land & Investment) almost 5 years ago
Hey Dena, we'll see.  We want to go see the Rockies next year but my daughter wants to see the Canadian Rockies. Maybe it will be at a time where I can bring the whole family.  With the little one it is next to impossible for me to go anywhere by myself. I even take him to work sometimes.
Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago

Great post and great group - thanks for recommending this group to me. It will be the first I join!

Posted by Adam Pascu, San Diego Realtor (Keller Williams Realty) almost 5 years ago

I love it! Getting a new life out of old jeans and newspapers :-)

Taking time to see our world with a different eye can bring unlimited ideas with  recycled materials. We have to want to put forth the effort. I see a "revolution" occurring in the green scene and I am thrilled about the opportunities!

Posted by Michele Connors, Broker in Charge (Coldwell Banker First Realty Morehead City) almost 5 years ago

Hi Adam, We are glad to have you over here on the Eco Scene!

Hi Michele, I see the revolution too.  :)  Glad you liked it!

Posted by Stephanie Edwards-Musa knitwit at thredUP (thredUP.com) almost 5 years ago
Great blog again!
Posted by Cree Quaker - Ulster County Real Estate (The Machree Group, LLC) about 4 years ago

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